Saturday, June 9, 2007

Nokia 6255/i Confused??????

Hi,
I am rather confused with the Nokia 6255/i . When it's released will it be able to work in the UK.
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no its cdma, another gsm clam with similar spec will be released later in UK this year it seems.


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Nokia 6230 PC Suite

I am having trouble connecting my 6230 to my PC. I have installed the appropriate drives for the usb and the new 6.01 pc suite however my computer wont connect with the phone.
Do I need another cd which contains the usb phone parent driver which I continually get requests for??
I have renamed my mmc card so it is recognised as recommened in previous post.
any help would be great!!
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padders
try to change settings of USB port on PC


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nokia 6230&bluetooth

my 6230 is working fine with my bluetooth from trust bt 180class 1 usb adapter but NOT with the pc software pc suite 5 can anyone tell me. thanks Dennis
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go to nokia website and download the latest one... Nokia pc suite 6.1, compatible with the Nokia 6230.
www.nokia.com > support > phones > pc suite
or http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,,54690,00.html


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Wallpapers

SOME COOL WALLPAPERS FOR N-GAGE USERS!



LORD OF RINGS


SKULL


FORMULA ONE FERRARI
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sorry, don't see it...


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N-gage QD

Anybody who lives in Europe knows the exact day the n-gage qd starts to sell?


I dont know man, but i want a test one, the mp3 problem we can resolve with symbian players, but , the mp3 ring tone can be resolved? ITs so cool that option in n-gage! Radio i dont use! so i dont care!


BUt help everybody!
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soon, allready this month (end of may, beginning of June)...
If you install realone (allready installed on the phone) or alike i think you can play mp3 again, but i don't think this is possible as ringingtone... It's support .wav ringingtones, so you can convert a mp3 to a wav file
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ANYONE ONE KNOW THE EXACT DAY OF N-GAGE QD SELL?
CAUSE SOME SAID THAT MAY WILL SELL IN EUROPE, BUT WICH DAY?
TKZ!
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that depends on the country you live in...
somewhere in may the sellings will start. Nothing more is known, the exact date will be announced soon...


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Nokia 3200 Or Nokia 6100 ?!

Please help me ...

Don't consider the camera!

I want a good mobile phone...

Which phone is better? And again, don't consider the camera!

Thanks alot
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so, don't mind the camera, and more memory...
Not much of a diference then, just look at the design, what do YOU like most, and that that one, both are good, the 6100 is more profecional, while the 3200 is more for youth, but not really a difference
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i like 6100 more
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Thanks ... I would like to hear more replies
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Well... in terms of hardware.. the 3200 would be better... with newer screen and more memory (not sure about memory)....

but i prefer the design of the 6100.. but the 6100's screen is terrible...
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3200 memory is 1M, better (improved) screen
6100 memory is 725kb


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Urgent !Nokia 6230 USB cable

Dear all,

I have purchased a compatible USB cable: model DKU-2, but no USB driver/software, where can I download ?? (I tried from the website of Nokia, but it isn't work)

Thanks
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www.nokia.com
go to support, phone support, enhancements and other click on down and select DKU-2, then you come on the page to download driver
here is a direct link:http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,8764,48247,00.html

you can find nokia pc suite the same way
http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,,54690,00.html


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Nokia 2300 - is there software prob?

Can sombody tell me if there some problem with 2300 software? Does it give problems like getting hangged while using or very low volume of ringer / radio( this is not a problrm with settings I have give my cell to nokia service center to have it repaired) As per service center people it is software prob. is any one aware of this kind of probles. should i sell off my 2300 due to this reason?
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what is your softwareversion? check it by enter *#0000# in basic menu... it's the second line...

Mostly when a phone hangs, or reboots you're dealing with some software bugs... just bring it in to a Nokia service center.
the latest sw for 2300 is v3.55


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Nokia 6230 Or 7610

7610 WITH 64MB REDUCED SIZE MMC, 1MEG CAMERA, AND A NIFTY DESIGN COMING SOON AND WITH A PRICE TAG ALMOST EQUAL TO 6230, AND HOW TO FORGET THE MP3 SUPPORT AND PSSSST HEARD THAT IT CAN SUPPORT UPTO 1GB MMC...ISNT THAT COOL SO CAN WE WAIT FOR THAT ULTIMATE TREAT!!!
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yes but no infrared...(hope it comes with a data cable), no radio, phatter, and no the price tag is not almost equal to 6230 - it's got a better camera, larger screen, 64mb card and symbian hardware - it will definitely cost a bit more
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hmmm.... got bluetooth and mmc card reader should be no problem....
cos i didnt use the infra-red port for my n6600... since i got this 2 ways of connection to pc...
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the 6230 is 400 Euro and the 7610 is going to be 500+ Euro...
But good news, it's comming already this month (end of may)...
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hmmm.... the 1st megapixel phone in market?
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If the two phones were coming out at the same time with almost the same price I'd definitely go for the Nokia 7610! The features are so excellent, improved sound and a laaargee screen and a very nice design..

128x128 vs. 176x208 pixels... hmm..

In my opinion, cell phones with a screen larger than the keypad section is very attractive and Nokia is finally starting to create designs like that... Nokia 7610 beats 6230 by a mile!
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The 7610 does beat the 6230 by a mile...BTW junkymailer you can install apps on symbian phones to play mp3's. I have a program and a 256mb mmc for my 3650, and its not bad. I'm assuming the 7610 will have a better speaker though

Of course its gonna cost more cuz the screens bigger and the camera's better...but they did cancel infra-red, would that make it alot cheaper? Last thing i read (on the nokia site), said that a USB cable comes in the box. If it doesn't, you can buy a usb bluetooth connection for about $35 (us dollars)
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Quote:
Originally posted by Tabusheikh
...you can install apps on symbian phones to play mp3's...
What's a use of mp3's without stereo output (like 6600)? ...and external app won't make mp3 a ringtone...

Quote:
...but they did cancel infra-red, would that make it alot cheaper?
No, but it'd make it faster

Quote:
... USB cable comes in the box.
Yes, there is a USB cable and to me coupled with BT it eliminates any need in IrDa... unless you want to use your phone as a TV remote
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the screen would be a good reason y it will be more expensive than 6230
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remember, 7610 usses the RS-MMC cards, not the standard MMC. are those even available anywhere yet?
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the phone comes with a built in stereo music player!

the reason i m not waiting to this phone is because of radio and it's look is too outstanding... but now i'm regretting a little..7610 is so cool
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no, RS-MMC is hard to find at this moment, but this is going to be fixed soon... Producers (like sandisk, kingston) are making RS-MMC comming to shops soon, allready in there catalogue...
i heard that RS-MMC uses less power, and the cost are less than a normal MMC (reliable source)
i also head RS-MMC are faster, can someone confirm this?
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SEE, NOKIA IS CONSIDERING INFRARED AS AN OLD STANDARD AND WITH THE PRESENCE OF BLUETOOTH, MMC CARD AND THE USB CRADLE WHAT DO WE NEED MORE. ALSO THE FM ENHANCEMENT WILL BE A GREAT THING COZ EVENTHOUGH THE PHONES SPORT FM RADIO THEY TOO REQUIRE THE HEADSET CONNECTED??? AND THE SCREEN IS THE GREATEST ADVANTAGE!!! THE PRICE WILL BE ALMOST SAME COZ OF THE INFRARED CUT-OUT AND THE SMALL SIZE CARD
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ok, if you wanna buy the 7700, it's allready on sale with an german warehouse, yagma, for the price of ...
now is the best part, or you start to cry, or you begin to laugh, four two zeven, eacht five euro or in ciffres 427,85 Euro...

here is the direct link
http://yagma.com/online/catalog/p_de...FD54C34C026%7D
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nokia 7610 does not include a stereo headset among it's accessories. considering that it also doesn't include an fm radio it most probably won't have stereo output, hence no stereo mp3 player.

however, despite it's too funky design aiming younger consumers it is still attractive with a 1 megapixel camera and symbian operating system finally offered at a phone that has a reasonable size.
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kristof.vanriet

427 euros is unbelievable for the 7700. plus how come does the german warehouse already sell it before the official release. it thought smuggling was harder over there.
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yeah, it's very cheap, if you look at the price of the nokia 6600 (440 Euro) even to the 6230 (380 Euro), it's cheap...
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Maybe 7700 is so called "early order"? Something similal was with 7110 many years ago...
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427 euros is expensive?? i dont know much about currency
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allready disappeared for the site... strange...
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junkymailer
you can try all of them in S700 .. with best quality and SE brand !!! but need a more patience for summer ! but valuable and worthy ..... waiting s700 make you complete and fedup!
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I,personally would prefer the 7610 allthough i will miss the radio(as i do now with my gx20)
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It is rumoured that 7610 is gonna cost about S$1.1k here in Singapore. And I really don't think it's coming out end of this month. Predictions are that it will be out end of june or early july. Anyway I'm eagerly waiting for it and I think it's one of the best from Nokia so far.
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Bad news.
7610 indeed has no stereo output.
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The 7610 has a Pop-Port, that means it's stereo... Duh?
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Pop-port could support stereo providing that phone outputs stereo, but it does not...

Have the phone? Connect any stereo headset - you'll see...
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I have in the past, and it works.
This phone can't stop rebooting, heh. Stupid OS.
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Early protos never work well...
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What sucks is that I plan keeping this proto and flashing it with new SW. Hey, i got it free, i aint gonna buy another one! lol
I hope hw is final on it..
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btw, Nokia has a radio headset (HS-R1???? completely forgot) that works on all phones that have a pop port. all u ppl who want radio, 7610 works for u now ;p
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Originally posted by mindhacker
I hope hw is final on it..
No, it's not.
What was the dead body you've got it from?
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Quote:
Originally posted by mindhacker
btw, Nokia has a radio headset (HS-R1???? completely forgot) that works on all phones that have a pop port. all u ppl who want radio, 7610 works for u now ;p
Right.
Unless phone will reject it upon connection...
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Highly placed friend in Nokia. I always get early protos...
He said this hardware is final. Eventhough it SUCKS! lol.
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What I know is that HW has changed at least twice since official announcement. I suppose yours is even older.
BTW, what is the HWID of yours?
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mindhacker u lucky bastard


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mp3

Hi, can anyone tell me if the 6230 can play mp3's as a ringtone?
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V600
yes, read review on site please
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yes it can...
The supported sound formats for ringing tones are polyphonic (MIDI) and scalable polyphonic (SP-MIDI) ringing tones, as well as traditional Nokia ringing tones (monophonic tones) and AMR NB (narrowband)
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kristof.vanriet
do they support 320kb/sec mp3 ringtone?
I am quite interested in this nokia phone.
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i thought true tones ARM are max. 25 Kbs at 16 Khz, so if you convert a mp3 song to ARM the 300Kbs will go lost...
But you also can play mp3 files directly as ringingtone, but i don't know if it's been modified while playing...
what I think is that you can play at any rate (also 320Kbs) but it's not that qualitive... it's comming out of a very small tweater...
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sunystory@hotmail.com

Not 100% sure, but in general very heavy ringtone is not a good idea, since sound system init for such a tone could take too long so it will revert to a standard ringtone in order to alert you in time


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some pro. help on nokia ringtone conversion

heylo all

plz could any one tell me the way , process of changing the chords on midi files for 6610/6100/7210 phones? i have been trying to do this and every time it just happens fluke .

what does the cumilative (cum) means?? and then wat does polyphonic user means? how am i suppose to convert a 40 cord ringtone to a 4 chord?? when i change the polyphonic user to say 1/2/3/4 , i notice it bcomes green . y is this ? and yet somtimes it just doesnt go tru , and somtimes it does could you please tell me wat is the real process of doing this? thanx
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go to this site, there are some documents that can help you. It's from nokia developers site

http://www.forum.nokia.com/main/0,6566,060,00.html

just look in the list, it's about media and music
- Using the Nokia Sound Converter (doc)
- Nokia Audio Suite 1.0.2 (progr)
- MIDI and True Tones in Nokia Phones v1.2 (doc)


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latest sw versions May

N-Gage
NEM-4 V 4.03

N-Gage QD
RH-29

1100
RH-18 V 4.25

2100
NAM-2 V 5.64

2300
RM-4 V 3.55

3100
RH-19 V 5.02

3200
RH-30 V 3.12

3300
NEM-1 v 4.62

3310
NHM-5 v 6.33 (new update this month)

3510i
RH-9 V 5.30

3650
NHL-8 V 4.18

3660
NHL-8 V 4.57

5100
NPM-6 V 5.20

5140
NPL-5

6100
NPL-2 V 5.16

610
TFE-4 V 4.60

6200
NPL-3 V 3.11

6220
RH-20 V 4.08

6230
RH-12 v 3.15

6310i
NPL-1 V 5.51

6600
NHL-10 V 4.09.1

6610
NHL-4U V 5.52

6650
NHM-1 V 4.16

6800
NHL-6 V 5.46

6810
RM-2 V 3.30

6820
NHL-9 V 3.70

7200
RH-23 v 3.11

7210
NHL-4 V 5.52

7250
NHL-4J V 3.62

7250i
NHL-4JX V 4.22

7600
NMM-3 V 03.05

7610
RH-52

7650
NHL-2NA V 5.06

8910
NHM-4 V 4.02

8910i
NHM-4NX V 5.25

9210i
RAE-5 V 6.00
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Very helpful, thank you!
By the way, 7610 is RH-51 and not 52
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Nokia 6610i

V 3.10
26-03-04
RM-37
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Any idea when 3.16 for the 6230 will be available?? I heard of quite some problems with 3.15 still.. Any chance 3.16 will come end of this month, or maybe beginning of June??

I wanna get me some troublefree 6230 before going on a holiday....
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3.20...
We'll have to wait awhile.
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end of may, beginning of June
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Where can I find full list of f/w's for 6220 with detailed explanation of bugs in previous versions ?
What's the date of the latest f/w RH-20 V 4.08?
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6220 RH-20 SW v5.15... This is the latest one. released a few day's ago; don'( know what bug's are changed
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and just one other thing, just recieved latest sw for N-gage QD, so it's allmost on the marked...
Nokia N-Gage QD
RH-29 v 3.15
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kristof.vanriet, Thanks!
Is 4.08 previous fw before 5.15 or there were other fw's?
Where can I find out info about changes?
Is there some official source on the web regarding that? I guess nokia.com doesn't publish that info
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between those i think are like 4 software updates, but don't know them all.
you can try search google, but i wish you good luck. Some types of phones are more easy to find that data, like the 6600, 6820, 6230, ...
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Mayve this is a stupid question but how do I check the SW version? I just got a 6230
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*#0000# is a code for checking the sw version,
first line is SW version
second line is date of sw version
third line is the name of device


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vibrating alert with custom tone? 7210

I have been sticking some polyphonic tones onto my 7210. They sound ok, only problem is the phone wont vibrate when the tone is active.

Any ideas of how to add vibration to custom tones?

Cheers
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look in your menu (profiles - tone settings - vibration alert if it's set 'on'. normaly the tones contain data for rhitmic vibration ringingtones, if not the vibration is set on standard (every second one vibration)
if you never feel a vibration there might be a problem with the vibrator
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funkeymonkey

if u mean y is it not vibrating wen u just listen to it then thats normal but if its your ringtone and when the fone rings it still dosent vibrate that would be the vibrator i had the same problem with my 3100


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N7200 Limit Edition

Is it out? cos I saw the it appearing in Nokia offical web site...
btw, anyone know the cost of it? thanks =]
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the cost will be a 1000 Euro, because it's a fashion phone with real tailored white leather... let's call it a touch of luxury...
the sales begin this month (may) and is available only in select fashion boutiques and Nokia concept stores (never heard of)
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1000 eruo = USD is how much?
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about 800 usd?..
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hmmm.... seem expensive....
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umm i think dxreaper meant limited edition 7200 is about 800usd

because thats not what 1000 euro equals. 1000 euro=1200USD

yeah i think LE 7200 costs around 800USD
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but... still cost very expensive...
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just go out and buy a white cover the markets or sumthing.a non genuine nokia cover about 100 times cheaper lol
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hahahaha~~ u r right~!
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exactly man. the covers are nice but you can just colour them
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if this limited edition got other extra features which the original dont have.... maybe consider...
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but u gotta admit it looks really appealing
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true.... feel like it's match my ipod.... hahahaa
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no extra hardware or features... just a cover..
Oh, almost forgot, they changed the screensaver for this one...
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ic... if it change to external colour screen... could be better...
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i don't think it's worth to buy this...
It's good for a real fashion rich person...

wait for the new clamshells comming from nokia, hopely there is one like the CDMA 6255
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ya.... that one will be much much better~!
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i don't know... the design is quite elegant, but i don't think it means that the design is "good".
Probably a woman phone. I think the price is too high.
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Quote:
Originally posted by kristof.vanriet
i don't think it's worth to buy this...
It's good for a real fashion rich person...

wait for the new clamshells comming from nokia, hopely there is one like the CDMA 6255
naa, u don't say
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Quote:
Originally posted by sunystory@hotmail.com
i don't know... the design is quite elegant, but i don't think it means that the design is "good".
Probably a woman phone. I think the price is too high.
70% of its sales are aimed at women
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it's true..... i saw more women using this phone than men....
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Why would someone want to pay over 800 euro for a Series 40 mobile phone THATS GROWING A BEARD!? LOL Why do they have to make a special edition with just a new cover? Sure, the fur is probably all nice and will keep you warm all winter or something, but is design that important? The phone isn't even that great- It's like more expensive than 2 Nokia 6600's put together, if thats the real price.. I think Nokia shouldve at least slapped in a few new features like an updated UI or something like that... Poor Nokia...
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for some are design very important, for me it comes also on the first place... why does Loewe, Bang-olufsen, Alessi, Vertu, ... all have such succes (offcourse, and much more), just because of design... Designers are praised by many people
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Originally posted by kristof.vanriet
for some are design very important, for me it comes also on the first place... why does Loewe, Bang-olufsen, Alessi, Vertu, ... all have such succes (offcourse, and much more), just because of design... Designers are praised by many people
Yes, design is really important, but would anyone honestly want a phone that looks great but can't even SMS?
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addicted2mobile

exactly right


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Nokia 6600 "to do list"

Hi,
Does anyone know if the Nokia 6600 features a to-do / task list WITH ALARMS. Like on the SE T610. I use this feature loads on the Ericsson to remind me to do stuff, but can't find a similar feature on the Nokia.
If it doesn't have this feature, are there any downloadable applications (free or otherwise) that would allow me to do this.
Thanks in advance,
lwinmill
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use calender.. there you can set a date with alarm...


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Noisy Nokia chargers

Hi guys,

Sorry if this is posted in the wrong place, or has been answered before, but I just wondered if anyone experiences quite a lot of noise from their Nokia charger.
I got a Nokia 6600 yesterday, and was quite surprised (and a little scared! ) at the amount of noise the charger made.... its like a rhythmic buzzing. Thought maybe my charger was faulty, so have just tried my boyfriend's 6610 charger. This also buzzes a little but not as loudly. The phone charges fine, and the charger makes noise even when the phone isn't connected.
Could someone please put my mind at rest that I'm not going to set my house on fire with the charger, or if I should get a replacement.
Many thanks,
lwinmill
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strange, this is the first time i heard about this problem. I advice you to call nokia careline or your shop for more info, this doesn't sound right.
because you have the same thing with the charger of your boyfriend it might be your stopper contact or electric circuit... to much volts or something alike
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I think your phone or your battery are misfonctional.
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my chargers make a noise when its hooked up to the phone and u put ur ear up to it...its a really low buzzing. All my chargers do in different outlets (110 and 220) but if its noticeable from a distance then u should check it out
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yes happens with mine too
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Thanks :-D


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N6620

Is N6620 able to use in Asia??? cos N6620 using GSM 850/1800/1900...
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This phone is for America but normaly you can use it in Azia, because it's support 1800 and 1900, and some Azian networks support that also...
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so i can use it in singapore...
but i dun no when can i buy this phone...
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there are some shop (mostly e-shops) who export mobile phones to other continents (America to Azia/europe) but don't know any...
But i know one who is doing Azian phones to Europe... for those who are intrested www.nowicom.com
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ic... thanks for your help~!


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6230 MMC Compatibility list

6230 MMC Compatibility List as of 30-April-04, made up by the users of HowardForums...


6230 COMPATIBLE MMC LIST

APACER 128, 256

ATP 128, 256, 512 (yup that is correct- 512!)

EXTREMEMORY 128, 256

EXPANSYS 512

KINGMAX 128, 256

KINGSTON 128

NOKIA MMC CARDS 32, 64

MICROSIM 32, 64, 128, 256, 512

PNY 128

PQI 128

SANDISK 64, 128

TAKEMS 256

TRANSCEND 128

TWINMOSS 128




6230 NOT-COMPATIBLE MMC LIST

KODAK 64, 128, 256

PQI 256


www.howardforums.com
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I have a PQI 256 and it works fine!
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6230 MMC Compatibility List as of 10-May-04


6230 COMPATIBLE MMC LIST

APACER 128, 256

ATP 128, 256, 512 (yup that is correct- 512!)

EXPANSYS 128, 256, 512

EXTREMEMORY 128, 256

KINGMAX 128, 256

KINGSTON 128

MICROSIM 32, 64, 128, 256, 512

NCP 256

NOKIA MMC CARDS 32, 64

PNY 128

PQI 128, 256

RIDATA 256

SANDISK 64, 128

TAKEMS 256

TRANSCEND 128

TWINMOSS 128



6230 NOT-COMPATIBLE MMC LIST

KODAK 64, 128, 256
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I got a PQI 256MB card, and it does work, however often times out when sending files through Bluetooth, and also will NOT let you use MP3s stored on the card as a ringtone. It just doesn't play when the phone 'rings'.

I'd stay away from this card. I'm going to get an Apacer, they're more expensive, so hopefully they're better.
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I have had the same problems with my second PQI 256 MMC....I did however somehow make it play a MP3 as a ringtone once but most of the time it couldn't.

The frequent timeouts with BT transfering I also had....Only one time, with the use of connection manager, was I able to transfer 248MB from the MMC to the computer.

I had problems with frequent reboots while listening to music and errors with reading the sim-card as well....

The PQI seems to have some problems after all...even though I have had one that worked perfect with non of the above stated problems.

And not to confuse anyone with the updated compatability list of May 10....I didnt put the PQI 256 on the list but got it of the HowardForum..
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I have a 128mb card from dane elec and this works.
Steve
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Is there a MMC compatibility list for the 6600?

Thanks
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i think this list can be used for nokia 6600 also, not 100% accurate, but most will do the job fine.
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has anyone tried using a RS-MMC card yet with the adapter to make it fit an MMC slot in any of these phones? if that works, may aswell buy those now since thats what it appears is going to be used in future phones
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This is the latest list from the Howardforums:

6230 MMC Compatibility List as of 03-July-04


6230 COMPATIBLE MMC LIST

APACER 128, 256

ATP 128, 256, 512, 1GB

EXPANSYS 128, 256

EXTREMEMORY 128, 256, 512

HITACHI 128, 256, 512

HTL 64, 128, 256

KINGMAX 128, 256, 512

KINGSTON 128, 256

MICROSIM 32, 64, 128, 256, 512

MOBYMEMORY 128, 256, 512, 1GB

NCP NEXON 128, 256

NOKIA MMC CARDS 32, 64

PNY 128

PQI 64, 128

PRETEC 128, 256, 512, 1GB

RIDATA 64, 128, 256

SANDISK 64, 128

TAKEMS 64, 128, 256

TRANSCEND 64, 128

TWINMOSS 32, 64, 128, 256



MMC CARDS TO AVOID

KODAK 64, 128, 256- TOTALLY NOT COMPATIBLE

KINGSTON 256, PQI 256 - best to avoid coz having varied results among users

MEMOREX 256
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there are a lot of threads/posts all over the internet about which mmc brands are better for 6230...

kristof.vanriet, which will be the ordered version of this list according to "best-choice-to-make" or "most-compatible" criteria?
which mmc brand(s) do you use for your phone?

10x in advance...
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I use Sandisk, somewhat more expancive but very reliable... And the standard Nokia MMC card.

And a MMC card is eighter compatible, or not.... so make a list of the most-compatible cards is difficult...
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ok, thanks. i understand.
but then why 'KINGSTON 256' appear in both lists: compatibility-list and to-avoid-list?
can you please detail a little "varied results among users"?
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check this thread from another forum, it's there i've got all the information, I thought it would be intresting to share...
http://www.howardforums.com/showthre...hreadid=351248
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thanks again!
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update: review from howard himself on our 512 cards:

http://www.howardchui.com/modules.ph...icle&artid=166

-Jeff

jwh@us.atpinc.com
www.atpinc.com
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Can SD cards be used instead of MMC cards? Are they same (dimensions, operation, etc.)?

What is the max MB capacity of the compatible cards? I mean there are a few 1 GB cards in the list, does the phone support that size?
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No, SD cards can't be used instead of MMC. some small differences;

SD and MMC are both flash memory cards.

SD card is thicker (2.1 mm)
SD card is more durable
SD card transfer rate is max 10MB per second
SD card is more secured (like the name say's; secure digital

MMC is thiner (1.4 mm)
MMC transfer rate is max 2.5MB per second
MMC is cheaper

If it's in the list, the MMC is tested in a 6230 and ready for usage.
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Thanks kristof.vanriet

I am about to buy a Pretec 256MB. What do you think, is it a good MMC card? Have you any recommendations?

Do you know a good online seller (international shipper) for MMC cards.
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i have just taken aphoto and now im not able to delete. as far as im aware its stored on phone memory. does anybody know why?
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if you used or use the photo as background image you can't remove it directly.
Just reboot 6230 and delete picture.
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kristof.vanriet, Thanks for that. it has worked, simple but effective fix.
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Ok what am I doing wrong?????
Just got a 256mb twinmos mmc card, formated it with my reader. My pc reconizes it and i can put files onto it. When I put it in the phone its not reconizing it no files are seen. I cant format it with the phone or even rename it. I've tried file systems fat and fat32 and no luck! Please Help Me!!!!
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strange normaly fat works...
try do this

1. Connect card reader and copy all your files in the MMC to computer disk.
(Make sure you set the show all/hidden/os files to "on")
2. Do a format of the MMC using command line "format" and use the /A=size option.
Alternative, you can use the Disk Management in Adminstrative Tools to format.
Make sure you select FAT16. For 256MB MMC, smallest block you can use is 4K, 128MB is 2K, 64Mb is 1K and 32MB is 512B.

For those who have problem with command line format::

Just use the Disk Managament to format

1. Goto Start->control Panel->Administrative Tools->Computer management->Disk management
2. Select your MMC drive. Right-click and select "Format"
3. Select "FAT". Choose Allocation size. For 256Mb MMC select 4K, 128Mb MMC select 2K, 64Mb MMC select 1K and 32Mb MMC select 512B
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Originally Posted by kristof.vanriet
strange normaly fat works...
try do this

1. Connect card reader and copy all your files in the MMC to computer disk.
(Make sure you set the show all/hidden/os files to "on")
2. Do a format of the MMC using command line "format" and use the /A=size option.
Alternative, you can use the Disk Management in Adminstrative Tools to format.
Make sure you select FAT16. For 256MB MMC, smallest block you can use is 4K, 128MB is 2K, 64Mb is 1K and 32MB is 512B.

For those who have problem with command line format::

Just use the Disk Managament to format

1. Goto Start->control Panel->Administrative Tools->Computer management->Disk management
2. Select your MMC drive. Right-click and select "Format"
3. Select "FAT". Choose Allocation size. For 256Mb MMC select 4K, 128Mb MMC select 2K, 64Mb MMC select 1K and 32Mb MMC select 512B
kristof, no luck the phone still wont properly see the card. It wont let me rename it, it just restarts the phone. i cant even add a folder to it, but it all works fine on the pc and reader. Thanks anyhow!
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OK can someone confirm the ridata 256mb card is compatible for the 6230??? thank you please
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Originally Posted by kristof.vanriet
No, SD cards can't be used instead of MMC. some small differences;

SD and MMC are both flash memory cards.

SD card is thicker (2.1 mm)
SD card is more durable
SD card transfer rate is max 10MB per second
SD card is more secured (like the name say's; secure digital

MMC is thiner (1.4 mm)
MMC transfer rate is max 2.5MB per second
MMC is cheaper

If it's in the list, the MMC is tested in a 6230 and ready for usage.
good info....
SD cards reletive to the MMC cards have a faster transfer rate since the MMC card is limited to one data pin out compared to the SD which has 2.

The "secure" part of the secure digital wouldn't really effect phone users w/ personal data storage.... The security is really for copywrited media/data so it would really only be useful for companies distributing software/media.

MMC IS cheaper for manufacturers to produce BUT w/ the SD release came a huge marketing campaign by the companies who endorsed the SD card thus making the SD card more common in the beginning. This dragged the pricing for the SD card lower upon its release. Now the prices are very similar....

-Jeff
jwh@us.atpinc.com


Mavi forum

3100 or 7210 or Motorola A835

Ello, I am after a phone in this price range (around 80 pounds). The 7210 is selling for 80 pounds, the A835 is selling for 75 pounds and the 3100 is going for 60 pounds (second hand but mint condition).

There all pay as you go. Which one is better?

Also with 3g phones do you buy 3g top up cards and are soley on the 3g network or are there orange and o2 etc 3g phones?

Cheers
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i don't like to say but i think the A835 is better then the 7210 or 3100 (between those, the 3100 is better then the 7210) 65K screen, UMTS and GSM, 64Mb, MPG and MP3 player, digital camera...
but are you sure this is the correct price?
In belgium you pay (don't fall down) 1200 Euro for this phone, while the N3100 and N7210 are resp. 170 Euro and 200 Euro...
this is like comparing the N9500 with the N3100...
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Thanks kristof.

In the end today i went for my mates 7210, mint cond and only 50 pounds and unlocked.

Yep the A835 is that cheap here, it recently had its price cut in half. At popular shops like thelink, phones4u and even index (cataloge company). My guess is thats our 3g network trying to get more people onto there network.


Mavi forum

Nokia PC suite 6.1

Nokia released a new pc suite, a little bit better, some new programs and the rest is just an update... they now made a basic startup program from where you can choice the others:

General
- back-up and restore (be carefull the 5.1 files aren't compatible)
to back-up data from phone like phonebook, messages, calender
- Synchronise
like the name sais; synchronise with Outlook and other programs
- Transfer files (phone browser)
- Install applications

Media
- Transfer music (also edit music)
- Edit images (photo editor)
- View multimedia (view and convert video)
- Edit sound (sound converter

Messages
- edit contacts
- contacts and messages (old nokia phone editor)
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i got it from nokia website today. works awesome with my epox bt dongle. already synchronized my 6230 with outlook. i wonder what was the bt bug people were talking about

btw my bt had problems with pc suite 6.0. i guess the bug was in the pc suite not in the 6230 ui
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Still annoying that you can't tell the suite at conflicts that the last changed item will be used... not phone our outlook as master..


Mavi forum

Nokia cuts phone prices by up to 20%

Nokia cuts phone prices by up to 20%
The steep reductions, the firm's second round this year, are earlier and bigger than expected


Originally published April 28, 2004
CHICAGO -- Leading cell phone-maker Nokia Corp., stung by market-share losses to Motorola Inc. and Samsung Electronics, is trying to win back business by slashing prices.

Nokia is quoting prices on a variety of cell phones averaging 15 percent to 20 percent below those offered to dealers in early April, according to a leading analyst's report Tuesday.

The report by Schwab Soundview Capital Markets analyst Matt Hoffman said Nokia is sweetening its offers with more generous credit terms and other incentives for dealers to stock up.

The steep price cuts--Nokia's second round this year--are earlier and larger than expected.

"That's extremely aggressive," said Gartner Inc. principal analyst Hugues de la Vergne.

"That's essentially saying, because we're the 800-pound gorilla in the market, we're going to do whatever it takes to maintain share while we make adjustments to our product line."

Hoffman and other analysts said the cuts will spur the industry's already strong sales while forcing some competitors to react. "Nokia's price moves should make rivals take more notice than did its February cuts," Hoffman's report said.

Manufacturers most directly affected are Sony Ericsson and Siemens, Hoffman said in an interview.

Motorola is better positioned, thanks to strong sales of its "triplets," a trio of camera phones that offer similar styling and features but at different prices. "When you have a hit product like the triplets, it makes it easier to hold pricing on the rest of your lineup," Hoffman said.

In the U.S., T-Mobile offers the v300; Cingular Wireless the v400; and AT&T Wireless the v600.

Even so, he and others expect Motorola's average sales price to decline to $158 or less in the second quarter from $161.

Nokia vowed to do whatever was necessary to win back market share when it reported disappointing first-quarter results April 16.

Revenues from cell phones declined 6 percent, and the number of phones shipped grew by 19 percent, badly lagging the industry's 29 percent growth, Nokia said.

The Finland company's market share declined by 5 percentage points to 29 percent while Motorola's climbed nearly three points to 16.5 percent, according to Hoffman's latest estimates.

No. 3 competitor Samsung saw its share rise by nearly 4 points to 13 percent.

"Market share is absolutely critical in the mobile device market," Nokia Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Jorma Ollila said April 16.

Nokia, a manufacturing juggernaut, uses its huge economies of scale to produce the industry's highest operating margins. That allows the company to cut prices while remaining highly profitable.

But Nokia is paying a price for being slow to introduce clamshell designs and other popular features such as large high-quality color screens into its lineup.

The company stuck to a shape known as the "candy bar" when flip phones became the rage.

"It was almost like Henry Ford saying you can have a Model T in any color as long as it's black," said Yankee Group analyst Roger Entner.

Price cutting is a temporary salve.

"I believe they will be able to get some market share back, but price cutting is only working at the symptoms and not at the causes," Entner said. "They have to work really hard in getting new blockbuster phones out there."

The company said it plans to launch 31 new phones before the end of the year, six of which will feature clamshell designs.

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source:http://www.baltimoresun.com/technolo...ness-headlines
Now they realize the threat. But pricing is not the fundamental problem. The problem is somewhere else!
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they seem to be getting ready for the major microsoft-motorola attack expected by the end of this year.
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Not by the end of the year, by this summer but nobody knows what the plan is with the Mpx220.... Mpx200 will be getting sold for quite some time since there are no new information on a clamshell microsoft OS smarphone.... Without mentioning the Business Mpx pocket pc phone..

I suspect Mpx220 will include a 1 mega pixel camera at least otherwise Motorola won't even bother with this phone...

Mpx100 is on its way to make history on giant killing sellouts...
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and let's not forget samsung. they introduce a wide variety of mid-range clamshell phones at very reasonable prices and are about to dominate the entire asian market due to their very competitive production costs.
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just think... Nokia got a good cash reserve, so they can lower the prices easy... Good for the costumers and Nokia won't feel it very badly in they own pockets
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vulture
is the id 'vulture' from a game?
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The MPx100 is a top phone... I'm not too fond of the design though...
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investors might not really like that. less profit for nokia.
but the article say that SE will be affected alot. but i'm 100% sure that they won't
siemens on the other hand could be in more danger and there new 65 phones are not good. and there's a small chance they'll be delayed because they still have to much software problems, but most big problem is the camera and the menu speed.
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Nokia seems to care more about their market share than good profit.
This didnt come as a surprise at all since Nokia are doing worse than expected but to slash the price is definitely what I would consider as a panic move.
They still have a lot of resources to spend and lose.
I think Nokia are afraid to face the true fact that people seem to prefer other brands than Nokia.
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McKinley i agree... it would have seemed alot better if they did aggressive R&D
Price is only a matter for cheap ones, when it becomes middle high components, the quality is a bigger factor
I thought i found a potential in7230, but it doesn't seem that they realized it. It will make Nokia as a cheaper brand
bart i see.
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sunystory@hotmail.com

nope, it's from texas
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no, price isn't just for the cheap ones, I think everybody looks at the pricetag if they buy something, it's just a temporary solution, before new phones are presented... They did a marketing research with enquetes and most people said Nokia is to expencive...
Some devices have a to high price for what it is, a phone like the communicator and premium 8910i can have a big price ticked, but in the mid-range (like the 6xxx series) and in the fashion (7xxx series) are the prices to high, and those had to drop...
the 6230 only costs 400 Euro anymore in belgium, that's 50 down and that is good... A lot of people don't bought it yet because the high price, but now... (germany 420Euro and the netherlands also 400Euro)
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I agree , The price is just a temporary solution to combat the fact that many of their current phones are still soldiering on with sub par screens and such. To prevent them from loosing too much more Market share before their next wave of phones arrive , and also to try and take the pressue of the people at R&D who might be encouraged to rush out new products with buggy software in an attempt to stop their falling sales and market share.
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but on the other hand, as i just read on another website; this can be the beginning of a pricewar, like we saw on the computer marked a few years ago. Other big players like samsung, motorola, Siemens,... can also lower there prices and the small ones (Alcatel, SE, Philips, trium, ...) can become the victim...
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I would say it is true that small corps as alcatel, SE, philips, sharp will be in danger if motorola and samsung play or siemens play such way. Motorola and Samsung, i think, won't do low-price strategy. they will keep the average price high. Their premium brand strategy will increase their potential of premium phones, while Nokia will become a low-end commercial phone company.
In fact, these companies have more budgets than Nokia to keep their price lower than Nokia. But what samsung and motorola see is the net profit. Nokia might gain some more market share, but their management earning will sharply decrease. I think it is potentially bad for Nokia to do low-price strategy. I think it is really a temporary combat of lowering price. Samsung electronics, at least, doesn't want its fellow SE to die. It won't happen, and it can't happen.
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might be but never the less, Samsung wants to become number one... they 'said' it once in an interview... and if a company want's to be, a pricedrop (ps. the price of premium 8910 and communicator haven't droped) is allways a good technique (near term); but indeed on long term it's not a good idea. First of all Nokia needs to fill some gabs in there portfolio (like more clams and mid class devices) and make some more phones like the 6230 and make less like 7600-3650 experimental phones
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Motorola already controled budget segment (under 120 USD), Samsung controled segment above 120 USD
Now, Motorola begin to sale phones with prices above 120 USD, it's growth for company sales...

Samsung just develop more models inown segments and has potential to growth too...

Nokia on the other side has a very big product line but hasn't potential to growth (only budget models). For instance here in Russia most popular models from Nokia is 1100, 2100, 3310, 3100

The same situation in Europe (we aretalkink about quantities)...
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EldarMurtazin Happy to see you in the forum!
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... it would have seemed alot better if they did aggressive R&D
That's a bit too brave to tell anything about how aggressive R&D Nokia does. R&D investments are rather slow to return and you never know how many ace of trumps they actually have now. Just a few hits none of the competitors have could turn the situation upside down.
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probably i was not specific enough. I know Nokia spends alot of R&D to their "telecommunication."
But they should spend more on future technologies, as much as current ones.
I mean future technology for the upcoming prospective 4G's. The only impressive investment i saw on these future technology is the wireless LAN (Wi-Fi)
But again, their focus went a bit off, because it should be concentrated on Wi-Max for phones.
In addition, compared to its probably one of the biggest threat, their R&D are pretty small on multimedia segments. It is true that R&D results later. For shorthand market, Nokia will gain more market share, but I doubt about management earnings. I read that the management earning will decrease 5% compared to the previous quarter. This means that eventually their R&D will have to decrease to get that much profit. And I don't think by 20% decrease of price, it won't make their sellings 20% better. This means that they will loose money again. thank you for reading
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id imagine its tough for nokia right now because it's holding back newer models so that current sales of handsets (6600, 6230 etc) do not stop, and also because they have to give it a certain period (~1 year) before they can introduce successors to premium line and keep customers who bought 8910i not long ago happy. other than that, ~80% of the money they get from handsets, even with reduced price, is pure profit - it doesn't matter if they sell them cheaper, the aim is to sell as many as possible and rake in as much money as possible (they have already made enough money to offset R&D costs for 7210/7250i, for example). In essence they can't lose any money, just make some at the moment (excluding new 6230 and 7200 which are new launches and even at reduced price later will still sell for much more than they cost). Even in 3G they are dominating here in UK - 7600 cannot even videocall but it is outselling *all* other 3g handsets from NEC/Moto put together - and 7600 is nothing compared to the 3g clams and candybar phones coming later. At a certain point last year they decided the R&D in all these strange funky designs (7600, 3650 etc) was not paying off, and cut back considerably - it means basically all the new coming releases will be very smart and classic nokia design, the type they have dominated the market with in previous years. Of course competition is stronger now, but the new nokias will raise the bar again, easily. Now is a foolish time to say they are going down. They have enough money to keep going for another 5 years even if they did everything wrong.
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7600 has a very pure sellings worldwide...
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id imagine its tough for nokia right now because it's holding back newer models...
Do you really think that they have new phones ready just waiting for to be released to the market?!?! I don't think so. That's not the way how this industry works.
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gaurav311
7600 has a very pure sellings worldwide...
Do you have the sales figures to show? Vendors don't show their sales figures, so it's pretty hard for Joe Regular to say those.

As gauvrav311 said, 7600 is the most sold 3G phone is Europe. It's pretty useless to compare it sales to 2.5G phones, but to other 3G phones.
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i don't think Nokia can catch up "multimedia" segments of other companies although they put the same R&D there. They need to invest more on these segments, it is not enough to catch up the R&D of business companies. Nokia is still a commercial company, the pure profit they make is very small compared to other business based companies. This is why business based companies small segments of commercial products sells as a trend. They put enormous R&D on the fundamental core as well as multimedia. Amazingly, I find samsung electronics as an ideal of this type of busimess company. They have tremendous R&D on these multimedia fields, such as screens, memory chips, and so on. Different from Intel, they don't concentrate only on business products such as chips. Different from Sony, they don't only sell commercial products. nearly 50% vs 50% makes up their whole sellings. This means that to lead the market in nearly every fields they are working, they need to put more R&D than other companies in each fields. In fact, they lead the market in 18 segments in the world as firm no.1. (eg, flashmemory, tft-lcd and so on)
they in addition are strong in many many other fields, such as mobile phones. The problem arises that most of the fields are correlated. Nokia mainly depends on phones, which make their "convergence" product much weaker compared to these multimedia companies.
I think their trend are going wrong. They should put more investments if they try to survive. With 5 years of competition with lower investments than these companies, I don't think they will be able to catch up. Even 10 years, it won't change the difference. If they aim to survive in the market, they should simply put more R&D for a longer time. This is what Nokia lack of.
This first quarter, in russian market, samsung electronics led the market with 15% more market share than Nokia, where it was highly dominated by nokia. This really do represent something. It is a serene prediction to think the risks of nokia, but at the same time, such prediction seems truthful.
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... I read that the management earning will decrease 5% compared to the previous quarter...
You sound like Nokia manager trying to decide "Stay or Leave"
Excuse my ignorance, but isn't it good that management earning will decrease. Most profitable companies are small because with their small size they do not need too much management overhead...

Regarding Samsung as a treat for Nokia I have some doubts that Samsung has enough experience in mobile networks, Nokia still has Networks division and that is what Sony needed Ericsson for.
Of course that can not prevent Samsung flooding the market (especially low budget market such as Russian) with cheap but attractive phones having yesterday's networking capabilities, developed by someone else
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no it is not my opinion. Ask business week or news week if you doubt about the posting related to the management earning.
i don't think it is good if the management earning decreases. management earning is a cost, but a profit you get from management.
And yes, it is hard to have a nice net-profit when u are too big. samsung electronics is bigger than nokia. management earning is still higher, net profit is alot bigger than that of nokia. (just consider the fact that samsung net earning is equivalent to Toyota, larger than 10 japanese electronics companies combined. ) This is a really hard thing to do for a big player as samsung. If u meant group samsung it becomes a funny story. It is a shame for samsung group to be compared to a single company, nokia. I really don;t think, (not think, but for sure) samsung group is whole lot bigger than nokia.
in addition, samsung electronics alone has big network division. the threat of samsung is not just samsung electronics. there are approximately 250 companies under samsung brand. Just one of it is samsung electronics. If we make a big category, the electronics segment of this group is composed of samsung electronics, samsung sdi, samsung techwin, samsung electricity, samsung advanced institute of technology, samsung-NEC display (recently sold back to samsung).
Among them, if you talk about network services, they have network department of samsung electronics (where samsung electronics has been investing here alot) and samsung sdi and samsung advanced institute of technology. samsung had enough experience in this field, developing the first ev-dv network, wcdma release 4. There contribution in 4G will dramatically increase, as many statistics says more than 80% of the promising post 3G technologies are invested by samsung. The recent 4G forum was made by the lead of samsung electronics also. and why do you think samsung phones are based on cheap-but-good strategies? (cheap but attractive? i don't think so) the average price of samsung phones is the highest among every brands.
I think it is other way. wouldn't it be cool to see nokia using samsung's advanced network systems, in which many companies have failed to adopt due to technical limitation? The reason that samsung uses some other companies platform is because
the network system and service providers lack of capability to adopt samsung phones. Europe has just started 3G, while more than 70% of samsung (100% of domestic samsung phones) are made by 3G. (3G includes wcdma and ev-do/dx. I don't want to put UMTS as 3G. it is an obvious 2.7G, as well as cdma 2000 1x is 2.7G)
It is hard to compare nokia to samsung (a group).
samsung electronics' supporters are much bigger than you may imagine. Their close relationship to SK telecom, the world's most advanced and renown service provider in the world tells something that nokia should learn.
If it is important to know what nokia is for you, it is more important who is important for nokia.
btw, please read the posting of mine again and if you still doubt about it, read the link above (from chicago times) it says average selling of phone is bigger than nokia. If you still doubt about it, ask Chicago times. they will kindly answer your question.
p.s>i hate to post these in nokia, because it intrudes many of u's. I was not going to answer if you haven't said samsung phones are cheap but attractive. you are already assuming wrong, wrong premises brings wrong conclusion.
bye
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btw, i think for mobile network, it is quite funny to compare nokia with a company which has market share more than 50% in a country where broadband infra and network systems are beyond what we call 3G. ETRI (a research institute funded by samsung electronics) shows many of these technologies, which nokia has been giving many Royalties here.
in addition, another article of nokia
Top mobile phone maker Nokia's plan to cut handset prices is expected to shed global market share off LG Electronics Inc. but Samsung Electronics Co. will remain intact, analysts said yesterday.
Analysts forecast the discounts by the Finnish company will be between 10 to 20 percent on average and up to 25 percent for low-end models.

LG Electronics, the world's fifth-largest mobile phone maker, would likely suffer from the price war because it targets overseas buyers of mid- to low-end handset models, the same as Nokia, market watchers said.

LG is already struggling to keep up mobile phone sales at home and abroad, in contrast to a roaring performance by home appliances. The company's operating profit margins in handsets slumped to 3.1 percent in the first quarter from 5.7 percent a year earlier.

"LG will have to wait longer to see its operating profit margins in handsets turn around," said Byun Sung-jin, an electronics analyst at Mirae Asset Securities Co. "The intensifying price competition would also influence Motorola and Siemens," said Byun, who downgraded LG Electronics shares from "Buy" to "Hold" after LG announced a narrowing first quarter operating profit two weeks ago.

Last month, Nokia roiled investors by issuing first-quarter profit warnings twice within 10 days. Its share price plummeted 31 percent. Industry analysts said Nokia fell behind in style and design.

Strategy Analytics, a Boston-based research firm, said Nokia's market share fell 29 percent in the first quarter from 35 percent a year ago. U.S.-based Motorola added 1.2 percentage points to 16.5 percent and Samsung Electronics gained one percentage point to 13.1 percent.

LG Electronics is struggling with two difficult, often contradicting, goals- to shield its unit sales market share by lowering prices and enhance its brand image in overseas markets, Byun said.

Nokia's impact on LG would likely be felt overseas, rather than in Korea, analysts said.

"Nokia's price reductions would not bring any changes in the domestic market, which is controlled half by Samsung and one-fourth by LG Electronics. When Nokia wanted to make inroads to Korea several years ago, its mid- or low-range models were ignored by Korean consumers, whose tastes are fastest changing and most sophisticated in the world," said Steve Oh, Samsung Securities Analyst.

"Nokia has built up a nice corporate image but their products are not yet best choices for design-conscious upscale customers," he said.

Samsung Electronics and Sony Ericsson are likely to remain intact, armed with strong brand image and high-end product line-up.

Samsung in particular has been in hot pursuit of Nokia. It forecasts a continuing rise in sales in the second quarter and plans to upgrade its sales target of 65 million phones sold in 2004.

"Samsung's marketing budget has been on a steady rise. Samsung may strengthen overseas marketing campaigns in face of aggressive Nokia, but it would be still careful to see the marketing spending would not dent profits," said Oh.

Siemens was ranked fourth in the global handset sales with 8.4 percent market share, while LG Electronics and Sony Ericsson both garnered 5.7 percent share, according Strategy Analytics.

(smkim@heraldm.com)


By Kim Sung-mi


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->"LG Electronics, the world's fifth-largest mobile phone maker, would likely suffer from the price war because it targets overseas buyers of mid- to low-end handset
models, "THE SAME AS NOKIA", market watchers said. "


For further complaints of the article, i have kindly left an e-mail address.
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Europe has just started 3G, while more than 70% of samsung (100% of domestic samsung phones) are made by 3G. (3G includes wcdma and ev-do/dx. I don't want to put UMTS as 3G. it is an obvious 2.7G, as well as cdma 2000 1x is 2.7G)
It is hard to compare nokia to samsung (a group).
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Let's get the terms straight. WCDMA is a radio technology used in UMTS networks and is understood as pure 3G network. Also CDMA2000 1x / 1xEV networks are considered as 3G networks and these are the standards used in Korea. There's a minor contradiction when you say that all Samsung domestic phones are 3G and then you say CDMA2000 1x is only 2.7G.

Quote:
Originally posted by sunystory@hotmail.com
wouldn't it be cool to see nokia using samsung's advanced network systems, in which many companies have failed to adopt due to technical limitation? The reason that samsung uses some other companies platform is because
the network system and service providers lack of capability to adopt samsung phones.
What advanced networks systems and what technical limitations?? If you're talking about CDMA2000 1xEV, what's so advanced in it?
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orange hi. i think i delivered the messege in a wrong fashion that led misunderstanding.
1. wcdma is a pure 3G as i said. CDMA 2000 1x is 2.7G, although it nearly satisfies the data transfer speed in ITU. CDMA 2000 1X Ev-Do or Dv are pure 3G. samsung domestic phones were 100% Ev-Do starting somewhere in the last year. Recently due to extreme chip demand on market, there were lack of supply to many phones. This led them to "plan" to make some cdma 2000 1x phones again. Samsung domestic phones are therefore virtually 3G's. So no contradiction.
2. as u may read, i was not referring to Ev-Dv or Ev-Do. Nokia is a gsm based company. For them more than Ev-Dv (although it is still much more advanced than the current wcdma release in europe in terms of 1.data transfer 2. better quality of video call 3. reception in mobility 4. reception in high rise cities 5.lower cost if cdma broadband is already built. just need upgrade)
it is better for nokia to adopt samsung's wcdma release 4, which provides 10Mbps. I was not explicit enough to explain this in the previous thread. Apologies.
is it clear now?
thank you for reading
regards
-sunystory
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forgot to say something. For Ev-Dv/Do, although wcdma is also 3G, Ev-Do/dv is a much lighter and smaller system. This let the maker to put more function in a fixed volume. This is why more multimedia functions in domestic version. This is the limitation of service providers not to offer similar technology. thanks!
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Originally posted by sunystory@hotmail.com
orange hi. i think i delivered the messege in a wrong fashion that led misunderstanding.
1. wcdma is a pure 3G as i said. CDMA 2000 1x is 2.7G, although it nearly satisfies the data transfer speed in ITU.So no contradiction.
Except that you said that UMTS is not 3G, but 2.7G. And then you said that WCDMA is 3G. WCDMA is part of UMTS, ie. it's radio access technology. UMTS itself is much wider consept including also services, not only technologies used.

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Originally posted by sunystory@hotmail.com
2. as u may read, i was not referring to Ev-Dv or Ev-Do. Nokia is a gsm based company. For them more than Ev-Dv (although it is still much more advanced than the current wcdma release in europe in terms of 1.data transfer 2. better quality of video call 3. reception in mobility 4. reception in high rise cities 5.lower cost if cdma broadband is already built. just need upgrade)
You must work in some testlab to get your hands to such detailed comparison information. Or then you're blinded with some cdma2000 marketing material...:-)

What you mean by Nokia being gsm based company? Nokia delivers terminals basicly to all networks. Even before gsm, it delivered terminals to nmt450/900 networks. Of course GSM is the main thing at the moment, since it's most widely adopted by the operators.

And if you didn't know Nokia did the worlds first 1xEV-DV high-speed data call.

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Originally posted by sunystory@hotmail.com
it is better for nokia to adopt samsung's wcdma release 4, which provides 10Mbps.
Samsung doesn't define the WCDMA releases, but 3GPP does. And those releases are available for everybody.
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few things
1. I apologize for confusion about technical term of UMTS
2. Samsung is the first to introduce Ev-Dv system. (release c)
3. Nokia is weak at cdma. It is not even the number 2. It is an obvious number 4 behind, LG electronics, samsung electronics, Motorola.
4.Samsung doesn't define Wcdma. 3GPP does. 3GPP standardized release 4 of wcdma proposed by samsung electronics. It is available to everyone. But the effect of standardization is quite different. Samsung earns benefit from that. Nokia's world's first ev-dv video call uses release c, which is originally samsung technology as an open source
If you want to say that i am blinded by cdma2000 marketing, then think that way. i am not a person who is anxious to persuade everyone. If you think i am a freak who wants to advertise cdma, then it is ok. think that way, argue that way, be rude. I won't bother you at all.
does it answer?

p.s>you have just confirmed that nokia is a gsm based company. samsung is a cdma based company. I didn't say they only make either gsm or cdma.
p.s.2> If Nokia is the best phone company to you, then be it.
I don't think i have much to argue anymore.
p.s3> please direct some link so that i can "study" some phone technology. I am so dumb to understand you. Probably need more help from you. Can you introduce some good labs so that i can learn from there? Oh wait, i am too silly to even go and ask there. -_-^
p.s4> Do you still insist that you have not made any mistakes about samsung domestic phones(They are 100% Ev-Do since this year)? Let's settle everything down, friend.

useful link about ev-dv: http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/c...index.php?p=sa
Finally, Samsung was presenting the world's first live demonstrations of a complete, end-to-end CDMA 1xEV-DV system. Prototype EV-DV phones were on hand, showing live video streaming and live video calling. The video streaming worked very well and was very smooth.

The close-up photo below shows a live video call. The main image is me, which is coming from the other phone, being held by the guy next to me. The inset image (bottom-right) is also me, from the phone I'm using - it's the image being streamed to the other phone.

The video calling image was a bit jerky due to a low frame rate, although that's a limitation of the EV-DV Release C standard - the version being shown here.

EV-DV Release D will boost the uplink speed dramatically, permitting much better framerates for video calling. Samsung expects to have a prototype Release D system ready in about 6-8 months.



another for release 4 wcdma:http://www.samsung.com/Products/W_CD...etwork_RNC.htm


Features


World-First Release 4 System
High Performance, Easy Upgrade
High Throughput, Flexible Interface
- 5Gbps ATM Switch backbone
- STM-1 links up to 12 links
- E1 links up to 192 links
- Support E1/DS3/STM-1 interface
Robust and Fault-Tolerant Architecture
- Redundancy & High Reliablility
- Overload control prevents system down
Modular and Scable System
Capacity of RNC
- No. of BTS/RNC : 128 BTS
- Voice channel capacity : 5,000 Erlang
- Packet data channel capacity : 360Mbps
- Easy to expand : depend on traffic
Operator-Friendly O&M
- User-Friendly GUI
- Powerful Operation & Maintenance Features
Centralized BTS & RNC Operation & Maintenance
Compact Size
- 1 Rack Solution


Simple Structure

Optimized Structure & Design by simple layer structure
Simple Rack Structure for convenience of O&M


Advanced Architecture

Supporting High Speed Data Service & Multimedia Service
Providing Voice/Packet data/circuit data at the same time
Max user data rate : 2Mbps
Effective Overload Control & Quick fault/error recovery


Easy Migration

Backward/Forward Compatibility
Easy Migration to R5/6 : HSDPA, IP UTRAN, MBMS
Flexible S/W Structure
Easy S/W upgrade
Adopting common real-time OS


High Expandability

Minimizing initial network cost by considering expandability & Upgrade
Adding Module as increase of traffic
E1(T1) Line & Optic Interface


Easy Maintenance

Plug & Play Function
Auditing & Self-test function for protecting error/fault




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Originally posted by orange
Except that you said that UMTS is not 3G, but 2.7G. And then you said that WCDMA is 3G. WCDMA is part of UMTS, ie. it's radio access technology. UMTS itself is much wider consept including also services, not only technologies used.


You must work in some testlab to get your hands to such detailed comparison information. Or then you're blinded with some cdma2000 marketing material...:-)

What you mean by Nokia being gsm based company? Nokia delivers terminals basicly to all networks. Even before gsm, it delivered terminals to nmt450/900 networks. Of course GSM is the main thing at the moment, since it's most widely adopted by the operators.

And if you didn't know Nokia did the worlds first 1xEV-DV high-speed data call.


Samsung doesn't define the WCDMA releases, but 3GPP does. And those releases are available for everybody.
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Originally posted by sunystory@hotmail.com
few things
1. I apologize for confusion about technical term of UMTS
No need to apologize. I was just getting the terms straight.

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Originally posted by sunystory@hotmail.com
2. Samsung is the first to introduce Ev-Dv system. (release c)
And still Nokia made the worlds first high-speed data call with Nokia's own chipset based on that release...
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Originally posted by sunystory@hotmail.com
p.s.2> If Nokia is the best phone company to you, then be it.
I don't think i have much to argue anymore.
I don't know why are trying to make this some kind of Samsung vs. Nokia battle. I was just getting some terms right and throwing some arguments which you responded with some arrogant comments. I don't have any preference to any vendor, if that's what you're trying to say here.

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Originally posted by sunystory@hotmail.com
p.s3> please direct some link so that i can "study" some phone technology. I am so dumb to understand you. Probably need more help from you. Can you introduce some good labs so that i can learn from there? Oh wait, i am too silly to even go and ask there. -_-^
It's unnecessary to get angry or saucy about this. I'm pretty sure that guy like you with technical knowledge will find the info about mobile technoligies without help.
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Originally posted by sunystory@hotmail.com
p.s4> Do you still insist that you have not made any mistakes about samsung domestic phones(They are 100% Ev-Do since this year)?
My korean is a bit rusty, but maybe you can help. Are all of these Samsung Korean phones 1xEV-DO phones?

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Originally posted by sunystory@hotmail.com
useful link about ev-dv: http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/c...index.php?p=sa
Finally, Samsung was presenting the world's first live demonstrations of a complete, end-to-end CDMA 1xEV-DV system. Prototype EV-DV phones were on hand, showing live video streaming and live video calling. The video streaming worked very well and was very smooth.
I don't know what you're trying to say with this. Earlier I was just making a note that Nokia did worlds first 1xEV-DV data call in august 2003.
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No need to apologize. I was just getting the terms straight.


And still Nokia made the worlds first high-speed data call with Nokia's own chipset based on that release...

I don't know why are trying to make this some kind of Samsung vs. Nokia battle. I was just getting some terms right and throwing some arguments which you responded with some arrogant comments. I don't have any preference to any vendor, if that's what you're trying to say here.


It's unnecessary to get angry or saucy about this. I'm pretty sure that guy like you with technical knowledge will find the info about mobile technoligies without help.

My korean is a bit rusty, but maybe you can help. Are all of these Samsung Korean phones 1xEV-DO phones?


I don't know what you're trying to say with this. Earlier I was just making a note that Nokia did worlds first 1xEV-DV data call in august 2003.
As i said, i hope we can get over with this.
the samsung phones from the link includes phones released years ago. Not all of them are of course not ev-do. ev-do phones were release quite recently compared to the whole samsung history, as u may know.
But the tone of the messege was as if it is nokia vs samsung; comments that i should work in lab to get some idea seemed that i was understanding the market completely wrong.

As said,
Probably i was quite misunderstanding the tone of your messege.


p.s>your korean is a bit rusty? you know how to read it? or you are using translators? -just curious
p.s2>My personal preference is, obviously, directed towards samsung or LG electronics. But my hope is that I would contribute on this forum of showing some techs that would be introduced soon in these companies. And those in which I introduce are not fake nor my opinion.


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Review 7610 with pix

http://www.pconline.com.cn/mobile/re.../357685_5.html

ok, it's chinese or something a like, but you can look at the pictures...
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nokia 3200 camera same (z600,v200)are they same

post the reply
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i mean to say that
nokia 3200 camera is same as camera of z600 and v200
these 3mobiles have same camera and quality


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Nokia 6600 or 6230 ?!! Help !!

I wanna buy a new nokia phone but I am kinda torn between the Nokia 6600 wwhich has a better display or the Nokia 6230 which is smaller in size
Anyone have an idea which one would be better to buy?
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i just got 6230 its awesome i swear but i doubt 6600 would be any worse... but radio is really important to me and 6600 dont got it so thats just me
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apples or oranges? one is a symbian phone and the other is a series 40 phone.

if you are more into pda functions as well as gaming definitely 6600, if you are more into size, multimedia features and ease of use definitely 6230.
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I'm getting the 6230 because it is small and the screen is not that bad - I was gonna get the 6600 but it is too big

Later
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the 6600 is a symbian phone, so you can install symbian programs who can do a lot more than Java games...
it has got a bigger screen, but that makes the size of the phone also bigger, but better screen...
The 6230 is i think the most complete series 40 phone at this time...

Both are good in there category
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it also depend on what you need... which function is more important to u.... etc etc ....
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Ahh the 6600 is way not too big, i love that phone, its amazing, i've permanently switched to Series 60 and im never going down! - The 6230 is great and all, but i really wouldn't want another Series 40, and i have an MP3 so i'm satisfied! I used to love my small small phones like 7250 (my old one) but i do not want another series 40 nokia-- theyre so boring... unless the 6230 is really that great: It sounds good with the 65k screen but not with the 128x128 pixels... I'm sorry, thats just my opinion..

Onto you: If you love Series 60 like me, then the 6600 is your choice- It's quite small if you compare it to Nokia's previous Series60 models, 3650, 7650 etc.. it has many options for you and a Series60 just makes you feel independent and all that, then get it! its worth the money...

If you're more of the smaller phones like 6610 and all that, then the 6230 is for you- also 6230 has lots of multimedia options and i nice music player, and the loudspeaker is quite good- if you like small phone then its for you!
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ow man i would kill someone to be able to buy a 6600...it's really my thing, but i'm to young to have work and i won't spent half my money on a gsm that i've probably lost anyway in six months.
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i agree with addicted2mobile...my 3650 made me love series 60 phones, and i'm never going lower. i thought about it for 2 seconds with the s700, but then i slapped myself. the 6230 is good if u just need a solid phone/multimedia device...i'm one of those ppl thats always playing with my phone, so i always want new programs and everything on it. if ur like me then get the 6600...another option would be the 7610. its a bit smaller than the 6600 and it has a better camera.


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N-Gage Wallpaper Tool

Hi mates,

a friend of mine asked me one day for a wallpaper tool for his ngage.
He says, that opening an app for resizing the image to the ngage screen size, is very annoying.

So i wrote a little online tool for him.
Just enter the url of an online image, or select an image from your harddisk, and it will resize it to your mobile phone's screensize.

Try it yourself! Just a little Online resize tool.

You can find it at
http://mobiler.gotthecrowd.de


..Might be useful for you too.
Feel free to link us please, so we get some more visitors.

thx in advance,
freakstyle
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Nice, a idea is for a section with allready uploaded pictutes, so other can use them also... Something like a galery
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..well, maybe we will show today's resized pictures.
Problem with the gallery is, that we can get very fast into copyright problems...actually we wanted to make gallery and stuff like this, but copyright forces us, to keep this idea off the site...


sorry
freakstyle
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..we added a today's album option of resized pitcures..

enjoy!
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FU** that is one nice site.... thumbs up from DK
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thanks for the site~! =]
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http://www.jhonny.org/wap/

is a good site for downloading images... They've got a lot, but it ain't a good system (no submaps)... they didn't arrange they images, so a logo can be on the same page as some chick...
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..we thought of a gallery addon too, but this will bring up to big problems with copyright laws...
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I think this can be don by Nokia PC sute 6 too


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