When surfing internet i saw on the nokia site that there were 2 new dates added to the press calendar...
__________________ Thanks Kristof __________________ Quote:
__________________ that should be right. after recent negative press, they really need to strike back with some of their new ideas, and besides most existing handsets in entry range have saturated the market at the nominal price already. Due to current 6230, 7200, 7610 releases, I would expect the higher-end releases to come later on in the year, after some new mid range announcements (which they desperately need right now). __________________ they only presented about 4 phones up to now (for europe) and promesed about 40 new phone this year (est. around 20 new for Europe/Azia)... but last year there were only 3 presented till June, so still no reason to panic, althow they have got some gabs in there portfolio... It was in 2002 they presented in the first quarter a lot of new phones (about 6) And if they present a phone this month it will be the first phone they present in May... they have never presented a phone in Januari, May and July. __________________ in total there are 16 more to go for europe, 1 of which has been "revealed" by eldar already. the 6 planned clams haven't been shown yet at all (actually still in very heavy development as we speak, especially the technlogy side), and some VERY new ideas thrown in there by nokia some people will like. most of others are still gsm candybars, interestingly enough, many with rubbish screens still, but some top classy ones too. there's a few models in there that simply cannot fail I think. Nokia will be going after previous 8310 and 6310i type owners, many of which were dissapointed with current "replacements" (7250i and 6820). Their strategy is quite good - on one hand they will be updating these GSMs, on the other hand they're releasing some totally new funkey clams with interesting design. Eldar stated that they are trying to be different to Samsung - I disagree, I think they're trying to set new trends of their own regardless of other companies. Later in year people will either 1) go for samsung's now established, upgraded flips or 2) go for old style updated nokia candybars or 3) go for the fresh new style nokias (clams, ringtouchers) as sad as it may be, flooding the market with LOTS of handsets has worked for nokia in the past  should be interesting to see what happens. my bets are still with nokia, with SE possibly taking over in the high end due to better pricing. __________________ Nokia constantly looking for new trend, try to build own vision of market. But the problem is that Nokia dont have such vision for instance 7600 is fashion but not popular 7200 is interesting as design study, but weak as a real product etc... the same situation around new models, they are very interesting in terms of design, in some kind first on the market, but people prefer not to be pioneer and try all things, they are prefer to buy solid phones, with good features... BTW, replacement of 8910i will be good. Replacement for 6820 isnt good... __________________ do you think so? 7200 and 6230 are very high margin products, and selling well enough for nokia i would imagine. but yeah possibly nokia may be getting too ahead of themselves trying to set trends that could basically flop. they overspent on r&d with 7210+7250i etc, and are now cutting back a bit, which was sensible, but still a bit weird with some handsets. that last proto i came across which seemed to look like 6820 successor looked nicer, but i noticed the screen was quite bad, is that even a TFT? 8910i successor is indeed stunning. I did not look at the papers but it appears they're going back to magnesium alloy, the shaping and feel is pure 8850/8910 class, if not better. I still think a few key handsets in 3xxx, 6xxx and 8xxx range will keep nokia number 1 - the UI is back to snappy fast old style nokia, not the sluggish overdone 7210 etc they had on market last year, which has put them in a dangerous position considering SE and samsung have been coming up with unexpected challenges. There's still some things about nokia - UI, RF, auto volume, decent loudspeaker, speed, antennas etc that make a nokia feel right I think, that competitors still need to work on. __________________ gaurav311, you will be suprised i think by some products from Siemens and Moto later this year... they are on way for build good autonomy, RF, UI (these is for moto only, next sw version from October) i couldnt agree that 7200 is a good selling, it has a pretty good sales but not overwhelming at all... for instance e700 has a bigger sales or even z600 is better on market.... 6230 is a bestseller, definitely, and margin is a very high (around 200 Euro per handset). Multiply it on 12 mln of 6230 and you count Nokia profit I repeat that users now buying familiar brend, design, set of features... they arent like a design studies. About brand awarness, loyality nokia has some problems now (too many 3310 was sold on market in last two years). They are strongly need to move from low end models to middle class, Nokia 3200 was a first step in this direction, later it will be around 5-6 product in this segment. It is good but pepole really need only 1-2 handset, not 10-12 from one vendor (spenduture on R&D, design develop, support etc higher for Nokia). In any case this year for Nokia is most important.. they loose market or stay a top... __________________ EldarMurtazin When can we expect your article on the upcoming Nokia's? I'm very interested, especially in the 6xxx and 8xxx series! __________________ Rogger, monday i think __________________ The 7600 and the 7200 might be a flop in term of sale figure, but still it's good a company (like nokia) try's to bring them on the marked just as show off, ... but indeed phone just based upon design are not good comercialy (look at the Siemens Xelibri department)... but still those are the one who giving us a idea of what's possible or not... And Nokia can afford a flop. __________________ nokia can afford many flops as we have seen im interested to as which ones eldar has got his hands on. the 3g clams are still very internal and in development as we speak, even design wise, possibly it's the premium edge models + the couple of funny designer ones that have been complete for some time now. if he shows the 6260 already nokia might be mad at him for stopping some sales the others definiately need to be out now though, because competition is taking over quite dangerously. Nokia are being silly if they think they can keep 7200 and 6230 as flagships for much longer than a few months from now.__________________ gaurav311, as far as i know 6230 will be a flagship untill end of November, it is statement from Nokia stuff __________________ of course they would say that I suppose they may announce the new handsets, with availability in december, which can be expected. I am amazed they are holding back almost complete handsets though. A component supply issue perhaps? If they have not shown anything by the time Voda goes mainstream with Z100 and such, then they really are asking for trouble.. __________________ gaurav311, actually, they are in a big trouble... they even ask samsung for displays and samsung of course decline their request now they are talking with a branch of small companies, but in this case they couldnt build solid quality even for one models, too much different supppliers will be... __________________ EldarMurtazin, This explains why they continue to use old STN screens in most of their phones -even high end models such 6820. They prefer to put more recent screens in models targeted to the largest amount of sales. Also, does Samsung still sell memory modules to Nokia? __________________ sebset, yes, they sell memory to them __________________ i am amazed samsung refused actually - it gives samsung more profit (from more lcds) and an advantage with margins on phones. even legally, would this be allowed? there are quite a few other lcd makers besides, but yeah, you're right, nokia is a european company and they are finding it tough to source from far away lands in huge quantities. From what i know, arrangements for production of the 128x128 gsms was done quite early on, when they were prototyping 7200 etc, they should be ok there, but with the larger displays, they have to look to sharp, samsung etc, and that is going to get tricky...they are the world's largest manuf. however, they will always find a source in huge taiwanese market for lcds (which is growing fast), but as you say, quality consistency is going to become a big issue. they did this a bit with the mono LCDs, but with colour LCDs i would imagine this problem is much more noticeable. Also remember UFB etc are also strong options here, and there are plenty of makers for that tech, and these can be pushed into lower end handsets without much worry, with some good aspects of LCD but less power drain. Mavi forum |
Tuesday, June 12, 2007
2 dates to add in your agenda (if you are press)
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