Tuesday, June 5, 2007

Smartphone

Just saw Nokia 6230 release here. So just wondering if this is a smartphone like 3660 and 6600? What's the different between 6230 and 6600? What is the RAM of 3660, 6600, and 6230?
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The 6230 is no smartphone. The 6230 runs on simple
OS and not on a Symbian or Microsoft OS.

The 6230 has 8 MB internal memory. The 3660 has
3.4 MB and 6600 has 6 MB. All the three have MCC
card slots.

MR
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Huh? So what OS 6230 uses? Can I "install" application to the phone just like 6600?
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the 6230 is a series 40 phone, that has got nothing to do with symbian (series 60)

yes you can install programs as long they are based upon Java
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So in other word, 6600 application cannot be install into this phone?
What are the other smartphone available in the market? P800 and P900? Running on Symbian OS too?
Can I install those compatible 6600 application to SE P800/900?
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Yes, you are right that is not possible.

Other smartphones are SE P800 and P900,
Siemens SX1, Nokia 3650/3660, Ngage and
Nokia 9210i.

Upcoming phones are: Sendo X, Motorola
A1000, (A920, A925), Nokia 7610, 7700,
9500, Panasonic X700, successor P900.

The phones which have series 60 can
install programs from the Nokia 6600.
The following phones have series 60:

Siemens SX1
Nokia 3650/3660
Nokia 7610
Sendo X
Panasonic X700

For the other Symbian OS based phones
the programs have other versions which
can be run on the other symbian OS's.
So if you want a program from the 6600
on a P900 then you have to get another
version of the same program at the
developer of the program. In most cases
the program is available on all sorts of
Symbian OS. Thus for P900, 6600 or other
Symbian sort.

MR
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Thanks MR for the reply, now I am able to understand more about smartphone. Just one more question, I hear that 6600 can play n-gage game but not 3660 / 3650 as its RAM is not as fast as 6600. So what is the RAM (speed) of 6600, ngage, P800, 3650, and 3660?
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Amount of RAM is significantly differenet, not speed. (apart from audio N-Gage is very much similar to 3650/3660) Some N-Gage games simply won't fit 3650/3660 memory. And since memory allocation is dynamic this may look like a sluggish performance from the beginning.

Series60 defines user interface constraints such as screen size, available buttons, joystick type (2,4,5 way). Same applies to application designed for Series60.

Synbian OS has 2 major versions at the moment 6.x and 7.x Compatibility is limited between those.
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Originally posted by MR
Yes, you are right that is not possible.

Other smartphones are SE P800 and P900,
Siemens SX1, Nokia 3650/3660, Ngage and
Nokia 9210i.

Upcoming phones are: Sendo X, Motorola
A1000, (A920, A925), Nokia 7610, 7700,
9500, Panasonic X700, successor P900.

The phones which have series 60 can
install programs from the Nokia 6600.
The following phones have series 60:

Siemens SX1
Nokia 3650/3660
Nokia 7610
Sendo X
Panasonic X700

For the other Symbian OS based phones
the programs have other versions which
can be run on the other symbian OS's.
So if you want a program from the 6600
on a P900 then you have to get another
version of the same program at the
developer of the program. In most cases
the program is available on all sorts of
Symbian OS. Thus for P900, 6600 or other
Symbian sort.

MR
wrong.

do not confuse series 60 with symbian
those phones are all symbian, but series 60 only mean a series of nokia phones

series 60 phones are:
6600
3600s
7610
i think ngage
7650

and all those with the same screen size.

communicators, 7700 are also symbian phones but they are series 70, 80 and 90 or something like that

other phone brands i don't think even have it classified as series XX
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Wrong

Look at the www.symbian.com site and look
at the Symbian versions. The series are Nokia
like? Why do Siemens and Sendo use the
same name for their User Interface?

Series 60, 70, 80 and 90 are related with
the Symbian OS thus you can mention them
in own sentence.

MR
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i stand corrected

the series is not exclusive to nokia.

however, series 60 only applies to phones with a certain screen and stats.

series 60 = 4 non-nokia phones, as opposed to 9 nokia phones. so far series 80 and 90 are nokia only

sorry for confusing
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the series 60 is a UI, or user interface, made by nokia. But every mobile phone company can buy a licence on the series 60 so Siemens, SE, Samsung etc can use it.

Symbian are the layers underneeth, the real software and control system.
Series 60 is just the things you see, where the menu is etc...

Like windows is the UI of DOS...

off course, you need certain specifications of a phone to run symbian and Series 60. For series 60 is the size of the screen very important, and the keypath (amount of buttons), for symbian is the amount of Ram and proccesor very important

Series 60 is the only User interface nokia has licence on.
Series 80/90 are made for Nokia for the 7700 and the communicator. and some more in future. Series 80 UI will be for Nokia and no other company
Series 90 (the 7700) UI might become licenced for others
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So am I correct to say that 6230 is similiar to 7600?
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well yeah i guess so though their interfaces are slightly different since 7600 has a larger screen
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Yep you can say that relating the series 60.

Not concerning the further specs!

MR
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Originally posted by FirstMobile
So am I correct to say that 6230 is similiar to 7600?
I believe those both have Series40 UI.
Usable screen area is the same 128x128
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Originally posted by D-Off
I believe those both have Series40 UI.
Usable screen area is the same 128x128
no... 7600 is 128x160

but technically both still have the same series 40 ui... though some people would say 7600 has series 45 ui
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series 60 is just a series of phone by Nokia which run symbian OS...for other brand that use symbian are called series 60 too because the symbian license is by Nokia...though they consider under series 60...

screen size doesn't decide the series of the phone...it is based on the OS...I believe in the future...all series40 by Nokia will use a screen size of 128x160...beginning with the 7600....
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Originally posted by Tu!@ng Man
screen size doesn't decide the series of the phone...it is based on the OS...I believe in the future...all series40 by Nokia will use a screen size of 128x160...beginning with the 7600....
for nokia so far, yes it has been deciding the series... or perhaps the series decide the screen. But perhaps you're right, in the future series 40 is shifting to 128x160
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Series 60 UI category has actually nothing to do with Symbian and OS as a such, it only defines mandatory UI elements:

"It mandates a color screen with a pre-determined size of 176 x 208 pixels, and includes support for a variety of different functions, which include: two softkeys, 4-way scrolling, an application launching and swapping key, as well as ‘send’ and ‘end’ keys. To improve and facilitate text input, it includes a ‘clear’ key and an ‘alpha toggle’ key. Furthermore, it uses a standard 12-key number keypad with alpha printings."

...though it has been initially designed for Symbian OS based smartphones (e.g. application key)

Concerning screen size - Series XX defines mandatory minimum size of usable screen area, so there is nothing wrong with 7600.

Series60 phones by other manufacturers than Nokia use Nokia Series60 platform software, hardware-independant, so they are not just called Series60, they actually ARE Series60 phones
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The SE-K700 also has a display of 176X220 resolutions,and it has much options,and it's not symbian or series 60.
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but the SE K700 has got nothing to do with eighter symbian or Series 60, stay on topic...

There is a lot of confusing thing about the series 60 and symbian...

Just remember that series 60 is a user interface (made by Nokia and only Nokia) and symbian is an operating system. (developed by SE, Nokia, Samsung, Siemens, Psion, etc...)

both Symbian and Series 60 are available to be used on other phones (other company's) under licence system.
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Symbian...just an operating system....just like Windows or Linux for pc...nothing to do with screen size or whatever...many other brands which running symbian have a screen of 176x220....but not 176x208...but they are series 60...licensed by Nokia...


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