URGENT : PLEASE READ THIS & GIMME YOUR OPINION AS SOON AS POSSINBLE hello people, i'm in a very urgent situation & i hope someone would reveal a very instant solution for my problem, well, my father gonna go to Dubai tomorrow, so i gonna ask him to buy me a Nokia 6230 and i'm very excited about it, but something really important bothers me alot and its about network errors .. let me explain it more.... a few months ago i bought a Nokia 7600 but i had to sell it just 2 days after i bought it, acutally it had a networking problem... although the phone went into the Network & the network logo appeared on my mobile's display but i couldnt make any telephone calles, i only could make telephone calls in some parts of the city and in ther parts i couldnt, actually whenever i wanted to make a telephone call, after i pressed the dial button, after some few second later it would show the ERROR IN CONNECTION Error and i couldnt make any calls and also no one could call me too, and strangly at this time that i couldnt make any telephone calls, i still could send / recieve Sms messages... so i thought maybe the phone is not registered into our network, i went to the telecommuinication centre for asking them to register the phoen for me (coz before this case, when i used to have the SE T610 i also had to register to let it work on our's network and it successfully registered) ... but when i wanted to register my 7600, the man at the telecommunican centre told me that becoz this 7600 is a new phone, our Network cannot accept it as a valid phone, and its problem wont solve by simply register it, Nokia itself should come and upgrade thier Network Switches to let these new phones become valid... so i had to sell my 7600 coz it wouldnt work on our network, and even till this date , nokia hasnt upgrade thier Network Switches here... now let me tell u all GSM nokia phones are working perfectly here, and non of them have any Network problems, except 7600... (btw, 7200 hasnt released here yet) now i wanna know do u know if 6230 has the same Networking Setup as previous nokia phones like 6600 ? or its based on the new network setting just like 7600... coz if 6230's networking settings are based on 7600, this it aint gonna work on our network, so its totally useless for me to buy it,...but if its under the same settings like 6600 or 7650 , 7250 and other nokia phones, then it will work here... btw, i today i went to Nokia's official dealer here, sadly they still havent heard of 6230, so they couldnt tell me if its working in our network or not, but they told me newer models after 6600 aint gonna work in our network, (due its needed to upgrade thier network settings) ... but i'm not sure of this, becoz of two reasons.. first of all, last month i bought 2300 from dubai and its working perfectly on our network, but they said all newer models after 6600 aint gonna work here, but my 2300 did work... and another reason that i think maybe 6230 gonna work is becoz i think 6230 is based on 7250 series in the networking settings, (isnt it) ? .... so i wanna know do u know if 6230 has the same networking settings as previous nokia phones.. or it has the same setting like the 7600 ? please guide me as fast as possible, i wanna know if my father should buy 6230 from dubai for or not. thanx and sorry if my story turned this long. __________________ could someone please inform me? i need to tell my father to buy 6230 or not... thanx in advance. __________________ I'm not an expert in this but I think n7600 works on a WCDMA and GSM 900/1800 networks maybe your network got confused on the WCDMA part. On the otherhand n6230 works on EGSM 900, GSM 1800, and GSM 1900 networks, maybe there's a good chance it will connect to your network properly. I'm not sure but you can ask your service provider if they support EGSM 900, GSM 1800, and GSM 1900 bands.  __________________ Quote:
 they say odd things and make up stories just to fool  the customers to make them buy or make them go away__________________ Quote:
but if i'm correct, 6230 has the same network details just like 6600 and 7250 , isnt it? so if its the same, there's no point it aint gonna work here, or at least it simply need to be registered on the network, since its a new phone to the network (just as i told u, when i bought t610 from dubai last spring, it wasnt still available here, so i had to brought it to the mobile centre to ask for the registration myself and it worked perfectly afterwards)... yeah, about the Nokia's seller, as i told u already he even didnt knew about the presence of nokia 6230, so he really didnt knew if there's a model called 6230, but he told me all nokia phones which released after 6600 are not working in iranian's network... (but its not true, coz 2300 released ages after 6600 and it worked perfectly in our network...and even i didnt had to register it) so do u think what he said is logical? do u know whats the difference between 6600 and other models that released after it? i mean in terms of network settings and that stuff....? i really donno what to do, ... i still have hope about 6230, coz its different than 7600's special case... but i would be pleased to know more about this, perhaps do u know if the theory of the nokia's seller is logical ? is it logical? why it is? well.. thank u very very much for trying to help me please inform me if u have more information to share thanx __________________ by the way, i somehow found out the nokia's seller didnt want me to buy a phone from abroad... u know, logically they want to custumers to buy the phones from themselves... and not from other shops or other places... but then again, i'm not sure  thats why i'm mixed up... i gotta make my decision soon before my dad leaves...(technicans, i need your help to guide me about this subject )__________________ Btw, how much 6230 in dubai? __________________ Quote:
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... btw, so could u gimme some more opinions about my problem? thanx __________________ HUM... i've just made another research and came with these details : NOKIA 6600 Network GSM 900 / GSM 1800 / GSM 1900 NOKIA 6230 Network GSM 900 / GSM 1800 / GSM 1900 NOKIA 7600 Network UMTS / GSM 900 / GSM 1800 ... so that reveals the difference between 6600 and 6230 in comparision with 7600 ... isnt it? 7600 supports UTMS and GSM 900 / 1800 but 6230 and 6600 support GSM 900 / 1800 / 1900 ... can it be becoz of that? maybe our network is based on GSM 1900 and since 7600 doesnt have GSM 1900 is not working on our network.. could be possible? can it be the reason that why 7600 is not working here? i have to say i really dont have specific information about the networking settings, but can my theory be right? please please inform me with your opinions __________________ but also i've checked something else... NOKIA 1100 Network GSM 900 / GSM 1800 ..., please consider 1100 works perfectly on our network. acutally its a very complicated situation, ...also some previous nokia phones very only supporting 900/1800 and not 1900... but they were also working on our network... so can anyone make a clear conclusion out of these infos? do u think 6230 gonna work here, while considering it has 900/1800/1900 (and at the same time consider that 7600 has UMTS/900/1800 and not working on our network) .. lol ..its a very mixed up thing, but i really hope someone help me and tell me if there is any chance that 6230 gonna work in out network __________________ Quote:
BTW, Nokia does not upgrade any networks - it is up to local operator (private company) to upgrade it... not necessarily using Nokia-made equipment __________________ Quote:
i bought it from here, but the seller had brought it from dubai back then, (but anyway 7600 is not working in our network even till this day at all becoz of the reaons that i told u, and 7600 is the only exception of nokia gsm phones which are not working in out network) hum, so u think it had the wrong RF ? how it could be fixed? btw, even nokia's official dealer dont sell it anymore coz its not working here at all. and since the nokia dealer is very stupid, they cannot verify whats the problem with 7600 and so its problem its uknown to the customer too. and finally, we only have one Mobile Network here which runs by our goverment. __________________ Quote:
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so then can u tell me what might be the problem? oki, 6230 and 6600 both support 900/1800/1900 and 7600 support Umts/900/1800 so why 7600 is not working? and if u think 7600 as an exception, do u think 6230 will be work just like 6600 and other nokia phones? and the nokia dealer told me the nokia phones which released after 6600 wont work on our network becoz the mobile network needs to be upgraded coz these new models have a different setting... but i couldnt find the difference between them and the previous ones and more importantly, i have 2300 and it works perfectly here although it released ages after the release of 6600... and nokia's offical dealer is very stupid indeed, one of my guesses is becoz they havent released 6230 yet, thats why maybe they told me 6230 wont work here __________________ Quote:
Very likely disabling WCDMA could have helped... Quite strange that you have only one government-controlled GSM network... According to GSM group requirements there should be at least 2 competing operators... __________________ Quote:
oh about the GSM requirments, lol dont be surprised.. in iran u can expect anything to happen.  __________________ It would not be correct to compare 6600 and 7600 since those are different phones (Series60 and Series40)... One thing what makes 7600 special is that it supports WCDMA... 2nd after 6650 Maybe your dealer mixes up something... 6600 supports TCP/IP (no WAP stack anymore) and most likely their network is not ready for it yet... but that affects data services only, not voice calls __________________ (well we dont have WAP and MMS) and only SMS here as the messaging service. so, how they could disable the WCDMA? ... and finally as your opinion, do u think 6230 would work on our network just like all other nokia phones, or it would be like 7600 that didnt worked on our network. __________________ ACErash I *think* he meant that u disable the WCDMA band on the phone (7600) and just set it to pick-up GSM fequencies, so that it should work on ur GSM network where u live. __________________ Quote:
btw, what u think about my problem with 6230 network issue ? thanx. __________________ Quote:
__________________ I wanted 2 find this out for my friend who likes the 7600 but i know NOTHING about 3G so I had to ask. __________________ ACErash did you ever had network problems with your 6600 or 2300, if not, i don't think this phone will be a problem. I once read in some review they gave the RF a 4/5. So i think that is good. Not? __________________ Quote:
but nokia phones work very very well in comparison to other brands in our network, brands like Motorola and Panasonic has the most problems in our networks, and brands like SE and Siemens are working SO-SO, they are not good and not that bad, and finally Samsung's are also working good here too, if i wanna tell you which phones work at the best in our network, i would sort them like this way : 1 nokia 2 samsung 3 se 4 siemens 5 lg 6 motorola 7 panasonic __________________ Guys, only a few hours left till my dad go to dubai, please gimme some final conclusions, i wanna know whall i give him the money to him for buying me a 6230 or not? thanx in advance. Quote:
-------------- (this is the post which member Richardyates said about 3g & 7600) The 7600 is locked to a setting which makes it look for 3g networks first. (It needs to be reflashed to enable a menu which allows it to be set the other way round). If like me you live in an area where the other networks are testing 3g services, this basically means that if it finds a 3g network it will try to log onto that. Since you aren't authorised to log onto a 3g network, it will then assume your sim is not valid, and won't allow you to log onto that network's 2g network either. Here for example I can find 3g networks from Vodafone, T-mobile and Orange. If I put my virgin sim in, the phone identifies it as a subset of t-mobile sim cards and tries to log onto the t-mobile 3g network. When that fails, it just sits there and doesn't try to log onto the 2g network. So although it can be done, you need someone to reflash it with the right software. cheers Richard -------------------- so? did u get the same thing that i found out too? __________________ Quote:
switch from "Dual" to "GSM" ... then you gonna be fine PS: No need to worry about 6230, just don't listen to all that crap about "not up to date network" __________________ Quote:
... i wish nokia's dealer had some more knowledge and info too, they are bunch of stupid ppl actually, once one of them spoke to me in a very very rude way... they think they are veru unique and so OFFICIAL.anyway and also thanx for ur tip about 6230 too thank u very much indeed __________________ One more thing... Why to buy such expensive phones if you can not enjoy most of their benefits just because the only available network does not support them? You pay premium for functions you'd never use... Note: You don't have to answer this, only if you want to __________________ Quote:
but if u mean 6230, ... well... it has many functions indeed, decent camera, expandable memory, mp3, mp3 ringtones, its small and light and also its new and solid and its beautiful to my eyes... i think 6230 is one of those phones that u can use it for a long time acutally... it has a time-less design, plus its packed with almost all of the good features... that why well.. anyway, since i never used WAP or EMS, due the fact they are not available in our service, so i still really dont have the need to have them,... u know. i would be happy if WAP and EMS become available soon, but aside from these two options, other options like Design and Camera and Memory are more important to me to have than wap or ems... once again, thanx for your help Mavi forum |
Friday, June 8, 2007
Urgent! in need of Technical Information about 6230 & 7600 Reception/Netwrok Errors
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